January 2010


In the last 30 days this is how you, my readers, have found my site:
    1. los angeles class submarine (‎35)
    2. uss scorpion (‎23)
    3. 589 (‎22)
    4. cone of silence (‎16)
    5. 361 (‎16)
    6. swordfish (‎15)
    7. uss growler (‎15)
    8. ss20 (‎14)
    9. uss (‎13)
    10. uss thresher (‎13)
 
This top 10 list is ordered by number of searches and shows what searches yielded a click to my site.
 
Interesting that 90% are submarine related.  Glad there’s a fair number curious about the brave men who did what most never have the privilege of doing.
Taking a couple days off work and headed to the Pacific Northwest for ministry training.  I calculated last night that I will be driving about 10 hours each way, hopefully between the storms that have been battering the west coast, in order to participate in 25 hours of workshop sessions.  All this resulting in giving up two precious PTO days plus an entire weekend.
 
I have no doubt that the next four days will be an awesome experience from the beginning of the drive until the end of the drive.  I look forward to this weekend with great anticipation?
 
Did you note the “?” at the end of the last paragraph?  That was intentional (unlike my other typos!).  This weekend will stretch me beyond where I would go on my own.  I am drawn for reasons I do not understand.
 
Sometimes that’s the way it is.  And that’s OK.

On February 26, 2009 at 4:14pm I installed a mouse odometer on my work computer. A novelty with no purpose except entertainment value.

Here is the running status of my poor overworked mouse.

Date # days miles light years
26-Feb-09 0 0 0
11-Mar-09 13 2.011212 .000000000000358320
25-Mar-09 27 4.998836 .000000000000849457
22-Apr-09 55 9.153273 .000000000001557188
25-Jan-10 333 32.220135 .000000000005481094

Well, my mouse in its little travels has not even officially made it to the edge of space (approx. 62.1 miles)

The good news however is that my little mouse has burned 2,592 calories and it on way to be weightless!

The experiment in triviality will now be retired.

Look closely at the photograph.  Do you see the gardener?  Do you see the expanse of well manicured lawn interspersed with trees?  Do you see the Lockheed Burbank, California Aircraft Plant?
Hidden WWII factory in Burbank, CA
 
This photo is purported to have been taken during WWII after the Army Corps of Engineers were tasked with hiding an entire aircraft manufacturing plant.  Imagine this scene from the air.
 
Here is a BEFORE and AFTER photo of which the above photo is a close up segment.
The factory is clearly visible in the BEFORE and… well it’s not so in the AFTER.
 
Here’re a few other shots (from the inside):
 
  • Round about this story came to me…
  • Someone’s mother who worked at Lockheed relayed that, she as a younger child, remembers all this.  And to this day, it is the first pictures of it she’s seen..  Another person who lived in the area talked about being a boy, watching it all be set up like a movie studio production.  They had fake houses, trees, etc. and moved parked cars around so it looked like a residential area from the skies overhead.
 
Each of Job’s three friends has had the opportunity to present his case.  Job responded to each of them.  At this point they are pretty sure Job is not listening to them, for whatever reason, and now they come back for round two.
 
These words are the meat of the dialog…



Eliphaz of Teman spoke a second time: “If you were truly wise, would you sound so much like a windbag, belching hot air? Would you talk nonsense in the middle of a serious argument, babbling baloney? Look at you! You trivialize religion, turn spiritual conversation into empty gossip. It’s your sin that taught you to talk this way. You chose an education in fraud. Your own words have exposed your guilt. It’s nothing I’ve said–you’ve incriminated yourself!  (Job 15:1-6)
[…]
Why do you let your emotions take over, lashing out and spitting fire, Pitting your whole being against God by letting words like this come out of your mouth?  (Job 15:12-13)
[…]
There’s a lesson here: Whoever invests in lies, gets lies for interest, Paid in full before the due date. Some investment! They’ll be like fruit frost-killed before it ripens, like buds sheared off before they bloom. The godless are fruitless–a barren crew; a life built on bribes goes up in smoke. They have sex with sin and give birth to evil. Their lives are wombs for breeding deceit.”   (Job 15:31-35)
Excerpts from Job chapter 15The Message (MSG)



Then Job defended himself: “I’ve had all I can take of your talk. What a bunch of miserable comforters! Is there no end to your windbag speeches? What’s your problem that you go on and on like this? If you were in my shoes, I could talk just like you. I could put together a terrific harangue and really let you have it. But I’d never do that. I’d console and comfort, make things better, not worse!  (Job 16:1-5)
[…]
“When I speak up, I feel no better; if I say nothing, that doesn’t help either. I feel worn down. God, you have wasted me totally–me and my family! You’ve shriveled me like a dried prune, showing the world that you’re against me. My gaunt face stares back at me from the mirror, a mute witness to your treatment of me.  (Job 16:6-8)
[…]
“O Earth, don’t cover up the wrong done to me! Don’t muffle my cry! There must be Someone in heaven who knows the truth about me, in highest heaven, some Attorney who can clear my name– My Champion, my Friend, while I’m weeping my eyes out before God. I appeal to the One who represents mortals before God as a neighbor stands up for a neighbor. “Only a few years are left before I set out on the road of no return. “My spirit is broken, my days used up, my grave dug and waiting.   (Job 16:18-17:1)
Excerpts from Job chapters 16 & 17The Message (MSG)

 


Eliphaz and Job Dialogue a Second Time


Eliphaz rebukes Job for his arrogance… and warns him

Job, you’re proving yourself unwise… or worse
Chapter 15
1 Then Eliphaz the Temanite answered:
2 “Does a wise man answer with blustery knowledge,
      or fill his belly with the east wind?
3 Does he argue with useless talk,
      with words that have no value in them?
4 But you even break off piety,
      and hinder meditation before God.
5 Your sin inspires your mouth;
      you choose the language of the crafty.
6 Your own mouth condemns you, not I;
      your own lips testify against you.
Note how Eliphaz has moved into the role as prosecutor after hearing Job’s responses to each of his three friends.
Q: What do you think is motivating him to attack Job?  He knows full well the losses Job has just encountered, what’s up?




Not only DID your sin bring this upon you but NOW you are adding to that sin.


Job, “your” wisdom is nothing
7 “Were you the first man ever born?
      Were you brought forth before the hills?
8 Do you listen in on God’s secret council?
      Do you limit wisdom to yourself?
9 What do you know that we don’t know?
      What do you understand that we don’t understand?
“Your” wisdom is nothing

10 The gray-haired and the aged are on our side,
      men far older than your father.
11 Are God’s consolations too trivial for you;
      or a word spoken in gentleness to you?
<= AUTHORITY – Rests on tradition, note it changed from “personal” revelation to “others” authority.
Q: Why do you suppose it changed?

Q: Which words were gentleness, friends or God’s?
12 Why has your heart carried you away,
      and why do your eyes flash,
13 when you turn your rage against God
      and allow such words to escape from your mouth?
<= THESIS – What’s made you vent your rage against God?


Job, Let me tell you again that man can’t be blameless
14 What is man that he should be pure,
      or one born of woman, that he should be righteous?
15 If God places no trust in his holy ones,
      if even the heavens are not pure in his eyes,
16 how much less man, who is abominable and corrupt,
      who drinks in evil like water!


Again, Eliphaz emphasizes that if the angels can’t be blameless before God, how can mortal man. (cf Job 4:18)

Implication: Job should EXPECT suffering since he’s not perfect (cf. Retribution Principle)
17 “I will explain to you;
      listen to me,
      and what I have seen, I will declare,
18 what wise men declare,
      hiding nothing,
      from the tradition of their ancestors,
19 to whom alone the land was given
      when no foreigner passed among them.
Eliphaz’ condescending attitude has changed since he first spoke (cf 4:2-4)


This is what a wicked man looks like
20 All his days the wicked man suffers torment,
      throughout the number of the years
      that are stored up for the tyrant.
21 Terrifying sounds fill his ears;
      in a time of peace marauders attack him.
22 He does not expect to escape from darkness;
      he is marked for the sword;
23 he wanders about — food for vultures;
      he knows that the day of darkness is at hand.
24 Distress and anguish terrify him;
      they prevail against him
      like a king ready to launch an attack,
25 for he stretches out his hand against God,
      and vaunts himself against the Almighty,
26 defiantly charging against him
      with a thick, strong shield!
27 Because he covered his face with fat,
      and made his hips bulge with fat,
28 he lived in ruined towns
      and in houses where no one lives,
      where they are ready to crumble into heaps.
29 He will not grow rich,
      and his wealth will not endure,
      nor will his possessions spread over the land.
30 He will not escape the darkness;
      a flame will wither his shoots
      and he will depart
      by the breath of God’s mouth.
31 Let him not trust in what is worthless,
      deceiving himself;
      for worthlessness will be his reward.
Q: Do you think he is implying that suffering is only for the wicked?  If so, what is he telling Job about his fate?

Note the “stinging” ways in which he confronts Job with what a wicked man can expect.  These describe Job!
“suffers torment”
“terrifying sounds” – 3 friends, maybe?
“marauders attack”
“distress and anguish”
“stretches his hand against God”
“vaunts himself against Almighty”
“charges God”


“fat” = prosperity



“wealth will not endure”
32 Before his time he will be paid in full,
      and his branches will not flourish.
33 Like a vine he will let his sour grapes fall,
      and like an olive tree
      he will shed his blossoms.
34 For the company of the godless is barren,
      and fire consumes the tents of those who accept bribes.
35 They conceive trouble and bring forth evil;
      their belly prepares deception.”
No advice here, only pronouncement that Job is getting paid back for his acts

Some commentaries hold that Eliphaz DOES NOT think Job falls into the class of “the wicked,” therefore he is not implying that Job is seeing the full wrath of someone who is wicked.  These commentaries say that Eliphaz is only giving an example of what the fate of the wicked look like.

Q: What do you think of this theory based on the text?

POINT: Commentaries are only man’s interpretation, always keep your finger on the text and think critically.  Never accept a study note, commentary as truth – always test ALL against scripture.
1 Thes 5:19-21 “Test all things
1 Cor 4:4-6 “Do not go beyond what is written



Job rebukes his friends compassion and expresses weariness before God

What’s wrong with you all?
Chapter 16
1 Then Job replied:
2 “I have heard many things like these before.
      What miserable comforters are you all!
3 Will there be an end to your windy words?
      Or what provokes you that you answer?
4 I also could speak like you,
      if you were in my place;
      I could pile up words against you
      and I could shake my head at you.
5 But I would strengthen you with my words;
      comfort from my lips would bring you relief.
6 “But if I speak, my pain is not relieved,
      and if I refrain from speaking
      — how much of it goes away?






I could, but I won’t




Q: What is Job saying they “should” do?
See Job 6:14


God, this is my state
7 Surely now he has worn me out,
      you have devastated my entire household.
8 You have seized me,
      and it has become a witness;
      my leanness has risen up against me
      and testifies against me.
9 His anger has torn me and persecuted me;
      he has gnashed at me with his teeth;
      my adversary locks his eyes on me.
10 People have opened their mouths against me,
      they have struck my cheek in scorn;
      they unite together against me.
11 God abandons me to evil men,
      and throws me into the hands of wicked men.
12 I was in peace, and he has shattered me.
      He has seized me by the neck and crushed me.
      He has made me his target;
13 his archers surround me.
      Without pity he pierces my kidneys
      and pours out my gall on the ground.
14 He breaks through against me, time and time again;
      he rushes against me like a warrior.
15 I have sewed sackcloth on my skin,
      and buried my horn in the dust;
16 my face is reddened because of weeping,
      and on my eyelids there is a deep darkness,
17 although there is no violence in my hands
      and my prayer is pure.












Q: Is Job equating his friends to “evil men?”

Q: Do you hear more than a sense of grieving, a sense of oppression?



God, you are my witness, advocate, intercessor, and friend
18 “O earth, do not cover my blood,
      nor let there be a secret place for my cry.
19 Even now my witness is in heaven;
      my advocate is on high.
20 My intercessor is my friend
      as my eyes pour out tears to God;
21 and he contends with God on behalf of man
      as a man pleads for his friend.
Note the major translational differences:
“Even now, behold, my witness is in heaven, And my advocate is on high. “My friends are my scoffers; My eye weeps to God. “O that a man might plead with God As a man with his neighbor! Job 16:19-21 (NASB)

Even now my witness is in heaven; my advocate is on high. My intercessor is my friend as my eyes pour out tears to God; on behalf of a man he pleads with God as a man pleads for his friend. Job 16:19-21 (NIV)

Also now, behold, my witness is in heaven, and my record is on high. My friends scorn me: but mine eye poureth out tears unto God. O that one might plead for a man with God, as a man pleadeth for his neighbour!   Job 16:19-21 (KJV)

Even now my witness is in heaven; my advocate is on high. My intercessor is my friend as my eyes pour out tears to God; and he contends with God on behalf of man as a man pleads for his friend.   Job 16:19-21 (NET)

Even now, behold, my witness is in heaven, and he who testifies for me is on high. My friends scorn me; my eye pours out tears to God, that he would argue the case of a man with God, as a son of man does with his neighbor.
Job 16:19-21 (ESV)

Q: Who is his witness?
Who is contending with God on his behalf?


My spirit is broken…
22 For the years that lie ahead are few,
      and then I will go on the way of no return.
Chapter 17
1 My spirit is broken,
      my days have faded out,
      the grave awaits me.
2 Surely mockery is with me;
      my eyes must dwell on their hostility.
3 Make then my pledge with you.
      Who else will put up security for me?
4 Because you have closed their minds to understanding,
      therefore you will not exalt them.
5 If a man denounces his friends for personal gain,
      the eyes of his children will fail.
6 He has made me a byword to people,
      I am the one in whose face they spit.
7 My eyes have grown dim with grief;
      my whole frame is but a shadow.
8 Upright men are appalled at this;
      the innocent man is troubled with the godless.
9 But the righteous man holds to his way,
      and the one with clean hands grows stronger.

Again, Job lays out the misery he is destined to endure



“mockers” = friends

“pledge… security” – again note legal terms.  He puts himself into the hands of the judge and asks to be treated fairly
10 “But turn, all of you, and come now!
      I will not find a wise man among you.
11 My days have passed, my plans are shattered,
      even the desires of my heart.
12 These men change night into day;
      they say, ‘The light is near
      in the face of darkness.’
13 If I hope for the grave to be my home,
      if I spread out my bed in darkness,
14 If I cry to corruption, ‘You are my father,’
      and to the worm, ‘My Mother,’ or ‘My sister,’
15 where then is my hope?
      And my hope, who sees it?
16 Will it go down to the barred gates of death?
      Will we descend together into the dust?”
Job turns the tables on his friends and admonishes them to turn from their ways.
All scripture quotations from the New English Translation (NET)
“Scripture quoted by permission. Quotations designated (NET) are from the NET Bible® copyright ©1996-2006 by Biblical Studies Press, L.L.C. www.bible.org All rights reserved.”

Q: When have you been in a place where you’ve seen a friend hurting themselves and you’ve said something and they seemed to ignore it?  What did you do next?
These days so many things are occupying my mind that it’s seems hard to have time to thing about a mundane blog.  Well, that’s not exactly accurate.  The truth is it’s not many, it’s the magnitude of the things I have to think about.  Much of it is big tasks, tasks that require me to think outside myself and determine the greater good for others.  It can be pretty daunting.
 
As I re-read the previous paragraph I guess it sounds like I’m world leader status trying to determine how to deal with a crisis of world proportions.  Just in case you were wondering, that’s not it.  Not even close.  Anyway, there are weighty things in my world.  Things I desire to put my best effort into.  Things that affect others and not just my little island.
 
Just thought I’d make a note as to why this blogging hobby may have seemed to slow down.
 
PS- I spent a significant portion of this previous week reading a fictional novel for no other reason than it seems fun and fun is what keeps one sane.
Buzzard@Work.jpg (7.3KB; 267x197 pixels)
Turkey Vulture waits at work
 
I complete my morning commute to arrive and see a buzzard roosting atop the second floor of my place of work.  Unusual spot he selects; immediately above above the egress of my workplace.
 
Is this a sign?  An omen of sorts?  Or a just one of those wild coincidences?  Is something about to befall a fellow worker in this place?
This is Job’s first dialog after each friend has taken an opportunity to speak.
 
Notice how Job’s focus moves from his friends (and their relentless torment of Job) to God, as is his pattern in previous speeches.
 
Job Presents His Case
 
Hey guys, I’m not an idiot – I know what I’m talking about
Chapter 12
1 Then Job answered:
2 “Without a doubt you are the people,
      and wisdom will die with you.
3 I also have understanding as well as you;
Job’s finally uses sarcasm to get his friends’ attention
“You are the people” – you speak for the people, you hold the popular wisdom, you are the keepers of THE knowledge.
 
In previous discourses Job says:
To Bildad: “I know that this is so” (v9:2)
      I am not inferior to you.
      Who does not know such things as these?
Sandwiched between these “I am not inferior statements Job “shows” his friends that he has the same knowledge they have!
 
Q: What does Job know that his friends do not know?
(It is possible for a righteous man to be afflicted)

4 I am a laughingstock to my friends,
      I, who called on God and whom he answered —
      a righteous and blameless man
      is a laughingstock!
5 For calamity, there is derision
      (according to the ideas of the fortunate ) —
      a fate for those whose feet slip!
6 But the tents of robbers are peaceful,
      and those who provoke God are confident —
      who carry their god in their hands.
Job: This is what I, a righteous man, get when things go bad.
7 “But now, ask the animals and they will teach you,
      or the birds of the sky and they will tell you.
8 Or speak to the earth and it will teach you,
      or let the fish of the sea declare to you.
 
Cf. Matt 6:26
Cf. Ps 19:1
The things you are telling me are “common” knowledge.
You” here is singular – to Zophar
9 Which of all these does not know
      that the hand of the LORD has done this,
10 in whose hand is the life of every creature
      and the breath of all the human race.
11 Does not the ear test words,
      as the tongue tastes food?
12 Is not wisdom found among the aged?
      Does not long life bring understanding?
13With God are wisdom and power;
      counsel and understanding are his.
14 If he tears down, it cannot be rebuilt;
      if he imprisons a person, there is no escape.
15 If he holds back the waters, then they dry up;
      if he releases them, they destroy the land.
16 With him are strength and prudence;
      both the one who goes astray
      and the one who misleads are his.
17 He leads counselors away stripped
      and makes judges into fools.
18 He loosens the bonds of kings
      and binds a loincloth around their waist.
19 He leads priests away stripped
      and overthrows the potentates.
20 He deprives the trusted advisers of speech
      and takes away the discernment of elders.
21 He pours contempt on noblemen
      and disarms the powerful.
22 He reveals the deep things of darkness,
      and brings deep shadows into the light.
23 He makes nations great, and destroys them;
      he extends the boundaries of nations
      and disperses them.
24 He deprives the leaders of the earth
      of their understanding;
      he makes them wander
      in a trackless desert waste.
25 They grope about in darkness without light;
      he makes them stagger like drunkards.
Chapter 13
1 “Indeed, my eyes have seen all this,
      my ears have heard and understood it.
2 What you know, I know also;
      I am not inferior to you!
 
 
Cf. Dan 5:23
 
 
 
 
 
 
Cf. 1 Co 1:25
 
Cf. Ez 26:14
Cf. Rev 3:7
Cf. 1 Ki 17:1
Cf. Gen 7:24
 
 
Cf. 2 Chr 18:22
 
Cf. 1 Cor 1:20
 
Cf. Ps 107:40
 
Cf. Lk 1:52
 
Cf. Dan 4:28-34
 
 
Cf. 1 Cor 4:5
Cf. Dan 2:22
Cf. Jer 25:9
Cf. Ex 34:24
Cf. Act 17:26
 
 
 
Cf. Ps 107:40
 
Cf. Deut 28:29
These are basic things
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Makes kings into servants
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
“You” (v14:2, 4-6) = plural

“Read my lips” as I lay out my case
3 But I wish to speak to the Almighty,
      and I desire to argue my case with God.
4 But you, however, are inventors of lies;
      all of you are worthless physicians!
5 If only you would keep completely silent!
      For you, that would be wisdom.
States his desire “argue his case before God”, previously:
“If I have sinned tell me what I have done” v7:20
“Tell me what charges you have against me” v10:2
 
“silent… wisdom” cf. Prov 17:28
 
Job is not proposing a lawsuit against God to accuse Him of injustice, rather he invites God to accuse him so that he may hear what God has against him.

6Listen now to my argument,
      and be attentive to my lips’ contentions.
7 Will you speak wickedly on God’s behalf?
      Will you speak deceitfully for him?
8 Will you show him partiality?
      Will you argue the case for God?
<- Note another sandwiched segment
Q: What is his case?  What does he so desperately need his friends to hear?
 
“you speak deceitfully for him” – Zophar
9 Would it turn out well if he would examine you?
      Or as one deceives a man would you deceive him?
10 He would certainly rebuke you
      if you secretly showed partiality!
11 Would not his splendor terrify you
      and the fear he inspires fall on you?
12 Your maxims are proverbs of ashes;
      your defenses are defenses of clay.
He turns their arguments back on them.
 
 
 
For their lack of objectivity?
 
“Proverbs of ashes” – Ashes were mixed with water to form soot that was used as a writing substance.  Not exactly the best thing to use for wise saying you wanted for posterity.
 
Statement: Any theology that do not leave room for Job’s experience is a lie.
Q: What do you think about this statement?
 
13 “Refrain from talking with me so that I may speak;
      then let come to me what may.
Let me cry out to God, I’ll take my lumps.
14 Why do I put myself in peril,
      and take my life in my hands?
Rhetorical
Q: How would you answer Job’s question?

15 Even if he slays me, I will hope in him;
      I will surely defend my ways to his face!
Q: How could Job say he’ll hope in a God that allows him to suffer?
Restates his “rightness” in all this
16 Moreover, this will become my deliverance,
      for no godless person would come before him.
17 Listen carefully to my words;
      let your ears be attentive to my explanation.
It’s only my blamelessness that gives me confidence.
Q: How do you live your life?  Do you have this level of confidence?  How can that be done?
 
Our confidence in Heb 13:5-6

18 See now, I have prepared my case;
      I know that I am right.
19 Who will contend with me?
      If anyone can, I will be silent and die.
Job: I have a winning case!

Even though I can win, I can’t win with these terms
20 Only in two things spare me, O God,
      and then I will not hide from your face:
21 Remove your hand far from me
      and stop making me afraid with your terror.
22 Then call, and I will answer,
      or I will speak, and you respond to me.
23 How many are my iniquities and sins?
      Show me my transgression and my sin.
24 Why do you hide your face
      and regard me as your enemy?
25 Do you wish to torment a windblown leaf
      and chase after dry chaff?
26 For you write down bitter things against me
      and cause me to inherit the sins of my youth.
27 And you put my feet in the stocks
      and you watch all my movements;
      you put marks on the soles of my feet.
28 So I waste away like something rotten,
      like a garment eaten by moths.
Please STOP!
 
 
“afraid with your terror” = don’t intimidate me, the defendant
 
Note the tense is that Job continues to feel oppression.
This is why I believe not much time has passed since chapter 1.  The satan would see to it that everything hit Job as hard as it could within the constraints he was under.  His goal was to overwhelm Job in order to discredit God – no punches would be pulled.
 
 
 
“put marks on the soles of my feet”  or you set a limit for the soles of my feet.  It may be a reference to marking slaves to make tracking them easier and it fits the style in following “you watch all my movements,” but no evidence exists for exactly what this meant.

Men are gone soon enough, then they can’t harm you
Chapter 14
1 “Man, born of woman,
      lives but a few days, and they are full of trouble.
2 He grows up like a flower and then withers away;
      he flees like a shadow, and does not remain.
3 Do you fix your eye on such a one?
      And do you bring me before you for judgment?
4 Who can make a clean thing come from an unclean?
      No one!
5 Since man’s days are determined,
      the number of his months is under your control;
      you have set his limit and he cannot pass it.
6 Look away from him and let him desist,
      until he fulfills his time like a hired man.
7 “But there is hope for a tree:
      If it is cut down, it will sprout again,
      and its new shoots will not fail.
8 Although its roots may grow old in the ground
      and its stump begins to die in the soil,
9 at the scent of water it will flourish
      and put forth shoots like a new plant.
10 But man dies and is powerless;
      he expires —  and where is he?
11 As water disappears from the sea,
      or a river drains away and dries up,
12 so man lies down and does not rise;
      until the heavens are no more,
      they will not awake
      nor arise from their sleep.
13 “O that you would hide me in Sheol,
      and conceal me till your anger has passed!
      O that you would set me a time
      and then remember me!
14 If a man dies, will he live again?
      All the days of my hard service I will wait
      until my release comes.
15 You will call and I —  I will answer you;
      you will long for the creature you have made.
16 “Surely now you count my steps;
      then you would not mark my sin.
 
 
 
A) He’s gone soon enough
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
B) Let him be
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
C) He can’t do anymore once he’s dead
 
 
A + B + C = Job’s point:

Life is fleeting and full of its own troubles.  Why not leave man alone since it all too soon that he dies and can do no more.
17 My offenses would be sealed up in a bag;
      you would cover over my sin.
18 But as a mountain falls away and crumbles,
      and as a rock will be removed from its place,
19 as water wears away stones,
      and torrents wash away the soil,
      so you destroy man’s hope.
20 You overpower him once for all,
      and he departs;
      you change his appearance
      and send him away.
21 If his sons are honored,
      he does not know it;
      if they are brought low,
      he does not see it.
22 Only his flesh has pain for himself,
      and he mourns for himself.”
“sealed in a bag” cf. 1 Sam 25:29
Important items (such as papyrus documents) were often put in a bag a sealed, usually with clay, and thus were made inaccessible to unauthorized persons.
All scripture quotations from the New English Translation (NET)
“Scripture quoted by permission. Quotations designated (NET) are from the NET Bible® copyright ©1996-2006 by Biblical Studies Press, L.L.C. www.bible.org All rights reserved.”
 
Q: What significance might it have that Job begins with the discussion of his suffering (or wounds inflicted by friends) and moves toward pleading his case to God?
 
Q: If you were in Job’s shoes an understood the world as he did (aka Retribution Principle) and knew you had done everything to please your God, what would you say to him if you were able to lay out your case?
 
Q: In what ways is Job’s understanding of God stretched in this dialog?

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